Based on your values how would you rank the following factors for the design of the proposed Roe Highway Extension?

by SMC Team 10:33am, 19 Jan 2010

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2. Copy and paste the list below into your comment.

3. If you need a definition on any of the factors outlined in the list please read the definitions below.

4. Rank each of the five items in each of the categories (Social, Environmental and Economic) according to your values and what you deem as the most important factor to the least important factor.

5. If you have any other comments please add them to your post/ comment.

 

SOCIAL

Heritage

Road safety

Access to local amenities

Visual aesthetics and visual impact

Land resumption / property impacts


ENVIRONMENT

Fauna

Air quality

Retention of remnant vegetation

Wetlands

Flora


ECONOMIC

Cost of construction

Traffic congestion

Future costs associated with road

Efficient freight movement

Accessibility

 

Many specific technical and design factors have been presented through the online forum and other means that do not fit into a MCA tool, however they have been taken into consideration and passed onto the technical and design team.

You can provide comment on stage two of this online forum without providing comment on stage one of the online forum.


Definitions:

Heritage: Effects on registered sites, places or cultural values of both an Aboriginal and Non-indigenous nature.

Road safety: Reduce death and injury on our roads for all road users (this includes cyclists, motorists and pedestrians).

Access to local amenities: This includes access to local roads, tertiary institutions, recreation facilities and also addresses the issue of severance to local roads or local amenities.

Visual aesthetics and visual impact: The look, feel, privacy, security resulting from the proposed Roe Highway Extension. This would include the art work, landscaping, revegetation, noise mitigation structures and which design is more aesthetically pleasing.

Land Resumption and Property Impact: The impact on existing properties including the resumption of land and alterations to buildings.

Fauna: Retention of habitat, ecological linkages, species diversity and the allocation of animal crossings.

Air quality: Includes exhaust fumes from traffic emissions and green house gases which are greater in slow moving stop/ start conditions.

Retention of remnant vegetation: Avoidance of good quality, native vegetation and minimise the construction footprint.

Wetlands: This includes the connectivity, function and quality of the wetlands.

Flora: Preservation of species diversity and endangered and rare species.

Cost of Construction: The total cost of construction of the proposed Roe Highway Extension.

Traffic Congestion: Minimise the impact on new roads and surrounding areas.

Future Costs Associated with Road:  This includes operations and maintenance of the road.

Efficient Freight movement: Free- flowing road suited to heavy vehicles.

Accessibility: This includes access to important state infrastructure such as schools, industrial areas, shopping centres, Murdoch Activity Centre (Fiona Stanley Hospital), Jandakot airport, Fremantle Port, Inner and Proposed Outer Harbour, Latitude 32, Cockburn Coast and other major roads/ areas.

 

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Comments (16) Expand All Replies

Janine Muir Comment 1 19 Jan 2010, 4:45 PM

The concern with this project for us is one of direct impact on our family life as our home is on the boundary of the proposed extensions. The social impact for our family will be grossly interfered with, that is our children use local path ways from St Paul's Estate to ride their bikes and walk their dog. Our backyard will be the corner of an off ramp which is now laced now with beautiful natural bushland, fauna and wildlife that will be suffocated by the extension not to mention our family's privacy.

Our concern is for road safety for our children walking and riding.

Our concern is that we will loose all our natual bushland and multi decade aged trees.

Our concern is that our backyard will be filled with noise and air pollution from car emissions.

Our peaceful community will be turned into a typical concrete jungle as with half the other Roe Highway extentions - are any bushland/wetlands sacred from this slaughter on the natural land. Leave it alone and let our future generation enjoy some of the natural wonders still left.

Let's bring a change of Government, so they can again drown the idea as a huge economical, environmental, social and cultural heritage mistake!!

The concern with this project for us is one of direct impact on our family life as our home is on the boundary of the proposed extensions. The social impact for our family will be grossly interfered with, that is our children use local path ways from St Paul's Estate to ride their bikes and walk their

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paige Comment 1.1 17 Feb 2010, 9:39 AM

I have friends who live in Bibra Lake and new this was coming 10 years ago... I think its very unfair that you are thinking of yourself when you have the whole WA population to consider. I suggest next time do your reasearch before buying a house next to a future highway.

dead against Comment 2 19 Jan 2010, 5:26 PM

The heritage value of Bibra Lake and surrounding wetlands is extremely important. This area has been used as a significant aboriginal site for no one knows how long and should be preserved. It is also one of the last remaining wetland areas in the metropolitan area. Putting a road through Roe Swamp, which is an extremely important part of the wetlands and also the paddock between Bibra and North Lakes will significantly damage the environment affecting the water quality, flora and fauna. Let’s not forget that recently, some of the endangered birds which inhabit the area were drastically reduced in numbers in country areas, due to an unexplained event. Let's also consider that providing more roads for traffic, does not make this project safer. The incidents of accidents are becoming more frequent due to the volume of traffic and speeds which are allowed on these so called highways. Encouraging more traffic will only increase the hazards. Also consider those who use Stock Road for travelling. This is already an extremely busy spot, so more traffic will add to further congestion and accidents. As far as air pollution is concerned, moving the problem from one area to another does not solve it at all, but it spreads it over a greater distance, which again will damage vulnerable environments. The only way to improve this is to remove a significant amount of causes. IE one train can move far more containers, freight in one journey than probably 40 trucks. That is improving pollution. Removing vehicles off the road also reduces congestion, repair costs to the roads and lives. The container terminal in Fremantle will be re located further south in the near future, removing the need for building the Roe Highway. Surely this makes it even more senseless to build this project for a short period, which will most likely destroy the area involved. This is a very short sighted approach and waste of money in the long term. The people of Perth deserve better schools, hospitals, public transport system and police facilities. We are a growing population and it seems ludicrous to be cutting funding to these essential services, so that a road can be built. There are already alternative routes for traffic travelling to Fremantle and Kwinana, again removing the need to build this road. Lastly, the Bibra Lake area already has more than enough pollution on its door step. This includes an electrical sub station of a major significant size, the goods railway system, the Kwinana Freeway and an industrial area. This last little piece of nature provides a little bit of respite for all the ugliness which other suburbs do not have to bear. Children visit the lake with their families and in school groups by their thousands every year. It is also an important educational tool. Taking away the natural environment, is essentially robbing future generations of this. There is no better form of education than first hand observation. Please help stop this road.

The heritage value of Bibra Lake and surrounding wetlands is extremely important. This area has been used as a significant aboriginal site for no one knows how long and should be preserved. It is also one of the last remaining wetland areas in the metropolitan area. Putting a road through Roe Swamp,

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wickedguy Comment 3 19 Jan 2010, 6:21 PM

1. ECONOMIC

Cost of construction

Traffic congestion

Future costs associated with road

2. SOCIAL

Heritage

Road safety

Access to local amenities

Visual aesthetics and visual impact

Land resumption / property impacts

Efficient freight movement

Accessibility

3. ENVIRONMENT

Fauna

Air quality

Retention of remnant vegetation

Wetlands

Flora

Overall Im concerned for the future as its a short term pain for some but unfortunantly we won't be able to stop the rapid economice growth in this state. If we don't go ahead now Im afraid that the trucks servicing the new Latitude 32, Cockburn Coast, Kwinana strip and the other industrial areas around Yangebup and toward the rockingham area, It will be mayhem. These exsisting roads that are servicing the heavy trucks now is a joke. The heavy trucks need to come off suburban streets and have their dedicated truck route installed. Get the guts and get it built!

I would certainly like to hear what the trucks have to say with the lengthy delay with this road going through.

1. ECONOMICCost of constructionTraffic congestionFuture costs associated with road2. SOCIALHeritageRoad safetyAccess to local amenitiesVisual aesthetics and visual impactLand resumption / property impactsEfficient freight movementAccessibility3. ENVIRONMENTFaunaAir qualityRetention of remnant vegetationWetlandsFloraOverall

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Mitch Little Comment 3.1 21 Jan 2010, 12:18 PM

I understand the CCI transport committee representing the trucking industry has sent a letter to the government stating the proposed Roe extension is a waste of tax payers money.

SaveBibraLake Comment 3.1.1 26 Jan 2010, 9:39 AM

I've heard of similar comments. It seems the very people Roe8 is touted to be built for (the transport industry) dont want it and/or wont use it.

It would be very helpful to see a authoritative copy of this letter online but no doubt the Barnett Government & its cronies wont want it made public. Can someone post it (or a link to it) here ?

Chris1 Comment 3.2 15 Feb 2010, 2:21 PM

Wickedguy, trucks servicing Henderson, Latitude 32 and Kwinana industrial areas don't need Roe 8. They need an upgrade of Russel Rd, Rowley Rd and Ankatell Rd. The money should be spent here.

Wavesurfer Comment 4 25 Jan 2010, 4:55 PM

The Roe Highway extension is desperatly needed for the continual growth of Perth and the State of Western Australia, those against the extension would not be against it if they did not live there, it is as simply as that. Farmers clear land every single day in this country without a complaint from any of the individuals involved against the highway, that is clearly needed. People drive cars and 18 wheel semi-trailer trucks supply this country and state 24 hours everyday. Building the highway will save energy and time.

Build it we need it

SOCIAL

Roadsafety

Heritage

Access to local amenities

Visual aesthetics and visual impact

Land resumption / property impacts

ENVIRONMENT

Fauna

Air quality

Retention of remnant vegetation

Wetlands

Flora

ECONOMIC

Traffic congestion

Efficient freight movement

Cost of construction

Future costs associated with road

Accessibility

The Roe Highway extension is desperatly needed for the continual growth of Perth and the State of Western Australia, those against the extension would not be against it if they did not live there, it is as simply as that. Farmers clear land every single day in this country without a complaint from any

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Chris1 Comment 4.1 15 Feb 2010, 2:29 PM

Wavesufer, Roe 8 will terminate at Hamilton Hill. This is neither a major industrial or population centre. The road will serve no one very well so why build it?

SaveBibraLake Comment 5 26 Jan 2010, 10:56 AM

With all due respect, this "survey" is just the same old propaganda technique used whenever a research organisation is commissioned by Government to perform "Community Consultation". It is an exercise in deceptive and unconscionable conduct, and completely lacks scientific merit.

There has been a growing trend for Governments to commission research organisations to perform "Community Consultation" AFTER a proposal has already been well and truly promoted. These research organisations have always returned the result that the customer (in this case the Barnett Government) wanted. The survey is always skewed to support a positive answer in favour of the proposal (ie "Do you support Roe8?" rather than "Do you oppose Roe8?"), and which is a device intended to encourage supporters and alienate opposers. The objective question that you should be asking is “What are your ideas for Bibra and North lakes? 1. Do nothing; 2. Enviro-friendly park; 3. Extend Roe Highway between them; 4. Don’t care; 5. Other”.

Because the question is already loaded, the result will also be neatly packaged as one that acknowledges some opposition, but demonstrates "community support" to justify a proposal or idea that has already been well and truly made public. Typically, your survey samples will be small, they will target supportive groups, and will avoid opposing ones.

Further, any competent psychologist will tell you that a good way to conduct a survey skewed to coerce a desired result is simply to promote your idea positively BEFORE you conduct your survey. This is well documented technique of propaganda used every day by advertising companies to sell product.

However, the objective and scientific way to conduct a survey on any issue is to do it BEFORE and WITHOUT any suggestion of what is proposed.

For example, you could conduct an objective scientific survey along the lines of: "What are your thoughts for the future of Kings Park?" because no-one has any particular proposals for Kings Park on the table. They results of that research would be objective.

Now that the Governments position is well and truly known, this survey's intentions are completely mischievous and vexatious. This survey should have been conducted years ago, well before the Colin Barnett got it into his head that this was a good political payback strategy against the Labor party. Everyone will suffer from Barnett's belligerence.

The result of your research is 100% predictable. As stated above, the result will be supportive of the Roe8 proposal because it is not possible to conduct an objective survey after the desired result has already been promoted.

Even if the result of your "Community Consultation" showed overwhelming opposition to Roe8, the result can easily be presented in such a way as to portray opposers as "dissidents" and supporters as "patriots" - if only because the question is already skewed to support a positive answer in favour of the proposal.

How do you people manage to sleep at night if all you dream of is better ways to deceive the public ?

With all due respect, this "survey" is just the same old propaganda technique used whenever a research organisation is commissioned by Government to perform "Community Consultation". It is an exercise in deceptive and unconscionable conduct, and completely lacks scientific merit.There has been a growing

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Chris1 Comment 5.1 15 Feb 2010, 2:39 PM

I agree, Roe 8 is all about politics and Liberal MP for Tangey, Denise Jenson getting re-elected. Leach Hwy & South St cut through his electorate and some spin on Roe 8 reducing traffic on these roads will help him get re-elected. Shame it's not true.

Rian Comment 6 5 Feb 2010, 1:32 PM

1. ENVIRONMENT

1) Retention of remnant vegetation

2)Wetlands

3)Fauna

4)Flora

5)Air quality

2. SOCIAL

1)Visual aesthetics and visual impact

2)Land resumption / property impacts

Everything else can be lumped into value of lowest priority.

The bushland corridor that will be turned into yet another highway is one of very few bushland corridors that is left in this city. Perth is known as a 'green' city with bushland, parks and reserve areas dotted throughout. This will severely tarnish this image.

Bibra and North Lake are part of a chain of Lakes making up the Beelier Regional Park - this is a beautiful area where people can enjoy cycling, walking, bird watching, peace to name a few. Development of this area will be just another example of the government taking these privileges off residents and visitors alike.

The majority of Perth's wetland areas have been infilled for development, used as landfill and rubbish dumps - it's time to start appreciating the wetland system for what it is - an important ecological value!

Develpment of this highway will only redirect congestion to this area - NOT solve the issue....

1. ENVIRONMENT1) Retention of remnant vegetation2)Wetlands3)Fauna4)Flora5)Air quality2. SOCIAL1)Visual aesthetics and visual impact2)Land resumption / property impactsEverything else can be lumped into value of lowest priority.The bushland corridor that will be turned into yet another highway is one

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Roerunner Comment 7 6 Feb 2010, 11:21 AM

1:SOCIAL

Heritage

Road safety

Access to local amenities

Visual aesthetics and visual impact

Land resumption / property impacts

2:ENVIRONMENT

Fauna

Air quality

Retention of remnant vegetation

Wetlands

Flora

3:ECONOMIC

Cost of construction

Traffic congestion

Future costs associated with road

Efficient freight movement

Accessibility

This project is well overdue and can't come quick enough. Lets get on and "DO IT". The city is lacking infrastructure that will go a long way to supporting our booming economy. There are solutions to all problems. Eg bridge over wet lands.

paige Comment 7.1 17 Feb 2010, 9:35 AM

I agree with this it is about 15 years overdue... and definantly are solutions to all impact issues without just say no all the time. I find these people very self centered property owners who only think about themselves not the bigger picture of Western Australia.

C'mon WA lets start moving this state forward and out of the dark ages

Chris1 Comment 8 15 Feb 2010, 2:59 PM

Commenting on these factors is a bit like choosing your own coffin. Pine or hardwood? Brass or stainless handles? Does it really matter? The whole point is that we don't want the wetlands to be butchered. It's about our generation and future generations enjoying the natural beauty of this place. Would New York put a Highway through Central Park?

Kancil Comment 9 17 Feb 2010, 2:00 PM

SOCIAL

Heritage 2/10

Road safety 10/10

Access to local amenities 5/10

Visual aesthetics and visual impact 5/10

Land resumption / property impacts 3/10

ENVIRONMENT

Fauna 1/10

Air quality 8/10

Retention of remnant vegetation 2/10

Wetlands 2/10

Flora 2/10

ECONOMIC

Cost of construction 9/10

Traffic congestion 9/10

Future costs associated with road 7/10

Efficient freight movement 9/10

Accessibility 8/10

The Roe Highway was planned many years ago to complement the existing road system to allow for the efficient movement of goods and people as the population grew.

However, we are many years behind in expanding our general infrastructure with roads being no exception.

The state of WA has a bright economic future and needs to increase all forms of infrastructure.

This highway is but one small part of the overall picture, so lets get on with it.

As we are all liable to procrastination and to resist change, we need to accept the fact that it is imperative that every individual needs to carefully analyse the benefits on offer to be able to move forward.

We have just been voted the 8th most livable city in the world. Modern infrastructure, including efficient road systems, will allow us to improve our quality of life.

We may even achieve a better world rating if we get it right.

Let's not forget the resistance to building the Hillary's Boat Harbour, Farrington Street, South Street, Servetus Street in Cott/City Beach, mobile telephone towers, improvements to Rottnest Island and many other examples of progress. These projects have offered us huge benefits.

Let's accept change for the better.

SOCIAL Heritage 2/10Road safety 10/10 Access to local amenities 5/10 Visual aesthetics and visual impact 5/10Land resumption / property impacts 3/10ENVIRONMENTFauna 1/10Air quality

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